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		<title>By: Kotler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kotler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeff, you have not wrotten articles on Blog for long time,but still thank you very much for I learned a lot from you, good luck to you! do you like QQ? it is an often used communicating tool in china, if you do,pls informate me via email,I can help you !haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeff, you have not wrotten articles on Blog for long time,but still thank you very much for I learned a lot from you, good luck to you! do you like QQ? it is an often used communicating tool in china, if you do,pls informate me via email,I can help you !haha</p>
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		<title>By: 从iPhone 3G中吸取教训 &#124; 优优漫谈IT</title>
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		<dc:creator>从iPhone 3G中吸取教训 &#124; 优优漫谈IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VPJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VPJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I agree with the points you make in principle. Yes, you need to name the product clearly. Yes, you need to articulate the benefits to the customer clearly. However, practically speaking, you can never create a perfect product. Any product will have its weak areas and strong areas. The art of product management is to align the strong parts of the product as closely as possible with the customer&#039;s needs. From this perspective, Apple has done a great job. The name, distinction between software and hardware etc. are not the important points for Apple customers. In my view, it is not important to get these parts right always. If you get it right it is great. 

Another aspect is the relationship between product names and acceptability of product to the customers. Most often I have not seen a direct correlation, especially for consumer products. Buying process is not often that rational and logical. Emotion play a large part.

As a product manager, I would not worry much about the aspects that are not very critical to the customer segment.  I dont agree that it is &#039;bad product management&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I agree with the points you make in principle. Yes, you need to name the product clearly. Yes, you need to articulate the benefits to the customer clearly. However, practically speaking, you can never create a perfect product. Any product will have its weak areas and strong areas. The art of product management is to align the strong parts of the product as closely as possible with the customer&#8217;s needs. From this perspective, Apple has done a great job. The name, distinction between software and hardware etc. are not the important points for Apple customers. In my view, it is not important to get these parts right always. If you get it right it is great. </p>
<p>Another aspect is the relationship between product names and acceptability of product to the customers. Most often I have not seen a direct correlation, especially for consumer products. Buying process is not often that rational and logical. Emotion play a large part.</p>
<p>As a product manager, I would not worry much about the aspects that are not very critical to the customer segment.  I dont agree that it is &#8216;bad product management&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Prakash Kadamba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prakash Kadamba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos for pointing out some of the flaws in Apple&#039;s branding strategy - you&#039;ll probably be burned at the stake by the &#039;Appleites&#039; for being a blasphemous heathen!!

Apple&#039;s promotion strategy leans strongly on leveraging the &#039;coolness&#039; factor and using peer pressure to sell their products. It should be interesting to see the direction the company takes with Jobs&#039; less-than-usual involvement in the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos for pointing out some of the flaws in Apple&#8217;s branding strategy &#8211; you&#8217;ll probably be burned at the stake by the &#8216;Appleites&#8217; for being a blasphemous heathen!!</p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s promotion strategy leans strongly on leveraging the &#8216;coolness&#8217; factor and using peer pressure to sell their products. It should be interesting to see the direction the company takes with Jobs&#8217; less-than-usual involvement in the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishwajeet Sukhija</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishwajeet Sukhija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff

I too agree to the reasoning which you have provided in your blog.

Guess iPhone faltered on the basic product management fundamental of making products which people require and which solve some of their current problems.

I personally think that speed has not bubbled up to be a problem with their cult as of now and hence introduction of iPhone 3GS was just a classic case of repackaging forced by sales team.

However it would be interesting to see the sales figure for the model and if they are good, then I don&#039;t think they made a bad decision. Since I firmly believe that a product manager&#039;s success for a mature organization is measured by its revenues.

Vishwajeet Sukhija</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff</p>
<p>I too agree to the reasoning which you have provided in your blog.</p>
<p>Guess iPhone faltered on the basic product management fundamental of making products which people require and which solve some of their current problems.</p>
<p>I personally think that speed has not bubbled up to be a problem with their cult as of now and hence introduction of iPhone 3GS was just a classic case of repackaging forced by sales team.</p>
<p>However it would be interesting to see the sales figure for the model and if they are good, then I don&#8217;t think they made a bad decision. Since I firmly believe that a product manager&#8217;s success for a mature organization is measured by its revenues.</p>
<p>Vishwajeet Sukhija</p>
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		<title>By: jefflash</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefflash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brent: Your comments are well-stated. Maybe Apple&#039;s approach to the iPhone 3G S makes sense given their strategy -- in this case, it even more reinforces my point, which is that product managers shouldn&#039;t just copy what Apple does in all cases. If you have an existing platform which is well-received and are building out the platform, then there may be merits in borrowing from what Apple has done. If you have more of a &quot;traditional&quot; product approach -- without a platform -- then Apple&#039;s tactics may not be appropriate for your product strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brent: Your comments are well-stated. Maybe Apple&#8217;s approach to the iPhone 3G S makes sense given their strategy &#8212; in this case, it even more reinforces my point, which is that product managers shouldn&#8217;t just copy what Apple does in all cases. If you have an existing platform which is well-received and are building out the platform, then there may be merits in borrowing from what Apple has done. If you have more of a &#8220;traditional&#8221; product approach &#8212; without a platform &#8212; then Apple&#8217;s tactics may not be appropriate for your product strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually more or less agree with your articles, but I think you are way off base on this one (particularly on point #2 and #3). Apple pitches the iPhone as a hardware platform, not a device unto itself. Therefore, it is misleading to attempt to compare the relative merits of a new release to the previous one in order to determine whether customers can be convinced to upgrade. Apple is not trying to convince customers to upgrade; they are focused on improving their platform to expand the user base.

Think of the iPhone 3GS like the recent MacBook Pro revision -- an incremental improvement with some great new features but not aimed at getting current customers to upgrade.

If Apple focused their marketing efforts on specific features, they would likely fail and would lose a checklist comparison to lots of competitors. (This is true of iPhone/iPod/Macintosh). I keep seeing comments elsewhere along the lines of &quot;who cares about the iPhone, I&#039;ve had feature X and Y on my Nokia for 3 years!&quot;. Yes, that may be true but who cares? The iPhone&#039;s appeal was initially purely about the user experience, not the features and is now all about the platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually more or less agree with your articles, but I think you are way off base on this one (particularly on point #2 and #3). Apple pitches the iPhone as a hardware platform, not a device unto itself. Therefore, it is misleading to attempt to compare the relative merits of a new release to the previous one in order to determine whether customers can be convinced to upgrade. Apple is not trying to convince customers to upgrade; they are focused on improving their platform to expand the user base.</p>
<p>Think of the iPhone 3GS like the recent MacBook Pro revision &#8212; an incremental improvement with some great new features but not aimed at getting current customers to upgrade.</p>
<p>If Apple focused their marketing efforts on specific features, they would likely fail and would lose a checklist comparison to lots of competitors. (This is true of iPhone/iPod/Macintosh). I keep seeing comments elsewhere along the lines of &#8220;who cares about the iPhone, I&#8217;ve had feature X and Y on my Nokia for 3 years!&#8221;. Yes, that may be true but who cares? The iPhone&#8217;s appeal was initially purely about the user experience, not the features and is now all about the platform.</p>
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		<title>By: jefflash</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefflash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim: Not sure how &quot;up front&quot; Apple has been. Burying the comparison chart under the support section of the web site is not too transparent, in my book. As an iPhone 3G owner interested in the 3.0 software, I actually wasn&#039;t able to find anything that listed out the differences between the different versions, even after probably an hour of searching. In fact, had you not provided the link, I would not have known exactly what hardware supported what feature, since Apple doesn&#039;t link to this on the iPhone site. They do have a comparison of the 3G to the 3G S, though it&#039;s not clear whether the &quot;original&quot; 3G phone released in 2008 is the same as the 3G phone released in 2009. (The answer is that they are in fact the same, though that&#039;s not very clear.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim: Not sure how &#8220;up front&#8221; Apple has been. Burying the comparison chart under the support section of the web site is not too transparent, in my book. As an iPhone 3G owner interested in the 3.0 software, I actually wasn&#8217;t able to find anything that listed out the differences between the different versions, even after probably an hour of searching. In fact, had you not provided the link, I would not have known exactly what hardware supported what feature, since Apple doesn&#8217;t link to this on the iPhone site. They do have a comparison of the 3G to the 3G S, though it&#8217;s not clear whether the &#8220;original&#8221; 3G phone released in 2008 is the same as the 3G phone released in 2009. (The answer is that they are in fact the same, though that&#8217;s not very clear.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Jarrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Jarrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, and I agree about the product naming.

Regarding the features in the OS vs. the 3GS: Apple has been pretty up front, from the phone introduction through its &lt;a href=&quot;http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3630&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;web collateral&lt;/a&gt;, which features work where.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, and I agree about the product naming.</p>
<p>Regarding the features in the OS vs. the 3GS: Apple has been pretty up front, from the phone introduction through its <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3630" rel="nofollow">web collateral</a>, which features work where.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

Great post, I agree with you entirely on this one. I think that this release has been problematic for Apple as it&#039;s all about adding in features that are basic on competing products. There is no &quot;wow&quot; feature in this release.

If you have a 3G, the 3G S is not a big enough change to make you want to upgrade (for the majority of users, in my opinion). So it&#039;s difficult to  position the product as something really new and must have.

That said, they had a great launch weekend and have sold large numbers - what does that say? Pent-up demand? Most people have been expecting the iPhone 3G S for several months and have waited therefore to buy one (myself included). I expect sales to go back to &quot;normal&quot; in a few weeks.

What&#039;s really interesting is the pricing of the 3G at $99. Could this signify a change in Apple&#039;s pricing? Could the success of the App Store be bringing in enough revenue over the 2 year life of a phone to merit moving towards the Gilette Razor type model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Great post, I agree with you entirely on this one. I think that this release has been problematic for Apple as it&#8217;s all about adding in features that are basic on competing products. There is no &#8220;wow&#8221; feature in this release.</p>
<p>If you have a 3G, the 3G S is not a big enough change to make you want to upgrade (for the majority of users, in my opinion). So it&#8217;s difficult to  position the product as something really new and must have.</p>
<p>That said, they had a great launch weekend and have sold large numbers &#8211; what does that say? Pent-up demand? Most people have been expecting the iPhone 3G S for several months and have waited therefore to buy one (myself included). I expect sales to go back to &#8220;normal&#8221; in a few weeks.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really interesting is the pricing of the 3G at $99. Could this signify a change in Apple&#8217;s pricing? Could the success of the App Store be bringing in enough revenue over the 2 year life of a phone to merit moving towards the Gilette Razor type model?</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, Excellent points!

You&#039;re pretty courageous to say anything bad (at all!) about Apple right now - since they&#039;re the company that almost everyone thinks can do no wrong.

Your last point is great- Apple&#039;s brand is so strong and customer loyalty is so high (cultish!) - these mistakes are unlikely to affect them much when it comes to sales.

However - a company that doesn&#039;t have cultish following shouldn&#039;t blindly copy Apple and expect to replicate their success.

On the same token, even silly names like &quot;Microsoft Windows Live Hotmail&quot; work for some companies! :)

- Raj
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accompa.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Accompa - Affordable Requirements Tool for Product Managers&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, Excellent points!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re pretty courageous to say anything bad (at all!) about Apple right now &#8211; since they&#8217;re the company that almost everyone thinks can do no wrong.</p>
<p>Your last point is great- Apple&#8217;s brand is so strong and customer loyalty is so high (cultish!) &#8211; these mistakes are unlikely to affect them much when it comes to sales.</p>
<p>However &#8211; a company that doesn&#8217;t have cultish following shouldn&#8217;t blindly copy Apple and expect to replicate their success.</p>
<p>On the same token, even silly names like &#8220;Microsoft Windows Live Hotmail&#8221; work for some companies! <img src='http://www.goodproductmanager.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- Raj<br />
<a href="http://www.accompa.com" rel="nofollow">Accompa &#8211; Affordable Requirements Tool for Product Managers</a></p>
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